I was in an Indian restaurant tonight and they were
playing some Punjabi music that didn't have very much
western influence in it.
I love simple dance rhythms from all over the planet and have researched extensively
for a multi- volume tome called Global Beats and World Pop Styles.
I have serious holes in my knowledge, however, when it comes to some of these beautiful
rhythms that come from folk dancing tradtions across the enormity of India.
Does anyone know where I can find out the names of rhythms from different regions
that are NOT classical Indian rhythms?
I've transcribed several that were played on tabla, dhol, mrdangam (sp?) and other very simple instruments.
I wasn't sure which tribe to join to ask this question but I figure you are all tabla players so this might be a good start.
Thanks so much and with great respect to all the musical tradtions of India................certainly one of the deepest tradtions
that exist on our planet.
Namaste and Peace Out
Rick Walker
aka |()()p.p()()|
www.looppool.info
playing some Punjabi music that didn't have very much
western influence in it.
I love simple dance rhythms from all over the planet and have researched extensively
for a multi- volume tome called Global Beats and World Pop Styles.
I have serious holes in my knowledge, however, when it comes to some of these beautiful
rhythms that come from folk dancing tradtions across the enormity of India.
Does anyone know where I can find out the names of rhythms from different regions
that are NOT classical Indian rhythms?
I've transcribed several that were played on tabla, dhol, mrdangam (sp?) and other very simple instruments.
I wasn't sure which tribe to join to ask this question but I figure you are all tabla players so this might be a good start.
Thanks so much and with great respect to all the musical tradtions of India................certainly one of the deepest tradtions
that exist on our planet.
Namaste and Peace Out
Rick Walker
aka |()()p.p()()|
www.looppool.info
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Re: Punjabi, Rajasthani and other Indian Folk Dancing Rhythms
Wed, January 17, 2007 - 4:31 PMI'm amazed that there has been no response to this thread.
Is everyone just into classical Indian music? Am I the only one here
interested in Folk dancing traditions of India?
Or did I hit a nerve with my request?
Is anyone home?
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Re: Punjabi, Rajasthani and other Indian Folk Dancing Rhythms
Sun, January 28, 2007 - 10:35 AMHI Rick,
sorry, I didnt read your post earlier...
I can just post my opinion about your question.... For me you didnt hit a nerve.. the question is simply "too general" ... first of all, even in Classical music, we have two different music/rhythm systems...
but the question for Folk rhythms... every region in India has its own Folk music and rhythms. so it would really go beyond the scope of this tribe to give you information in general about the "dancing traditions of India".
ever thought of this?
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Re: Punjabi, Rajasthani and other Indian Folk Dancing Rhythms
Mon, January 29, 2007 - 1:40 AMAbsolutely, Gauri,
Even in a tradition that is as rhythmically simple as the American Blues, there are hundreds of little regional variations
that newbies don't understand until they get deeper into it.
But when a newbie asks me to teach them about Blues rhythms, I can tell that they know nothing and I try to point them in the direction of where to start. That's all I am asking for. I'm very aware that there are hundreds of tribal groups and language dialects (and languages)
in the enormous country of India. I'm not naive in that respect.
That being said, I can ask specifically:
Does anyone have ANY information (and preferabbly transcriptions) bout specifically Rajasthani or Punjabi folk dancing rhythms.
Anything? Just one folk rhythm from one place anywhere in the huge country of India would be more than I know now and appreciated.
I've really been looking and there is a ton of information about the Talas and different rhythmic approaches in both Northern and Southern Indian classical traditions but there is very little information for anyone who is beginning to try to understand folk rhythms that exist in India.
It's interesting because if I also research middleastern rhythms or , balkan rhythms, there is a fair amount of information about them on the web (as well as a fair amount of information about their respective classical tradtions).
It also may be that no one in this particular tribe is even interested in these many rhythms but I wanted to start my search somewhere.
With respect to the greatness and complexity that are the musical tradtions of India.
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Re: Punjabi, Rajasthani and other Indian Folk Dancing Rhythms
Mon, January 29, 2007 - 10:03 AMThe prime musician social groups in Rajasthan are the Langas & Manganiars so I did a search for these and beat on google and came up with these linear notes that indicate the tala for three songs:
www.cdroots.com/sense-085.html
Now, my limited experience with Indian folk music is that there is no clear line between classical and folk as far as music theory goes and that same or similar terms are used throughout, although with slightly different meanings. If I were you I would actually email a couple ethnomusicologists from their university homepage and see what they have to say.
Oh, and just found this. I hope it helps:
www.echo.ucla.edu/Volume3-I..._tal-s.pdf ("Folk Grooves and Tabla Tål-s")
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